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Title: AOC Just Couldn't Wait...
Post by: Formosa on September 14, 2021, 08:00:21 AM
#PowerCorrupts

https://edition.cnn.com/style/article/aoc-met-gala-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-dress/index.html
Title: Re: AOC Just Couldn't Wait...
Post by: abcdefghijk on September 14, 2021, 09:00:39 AM
You can say that again. AOC's narcissism makes her blind to the fact that attending that event reveals her hypocrisy and is a mockery of her so called ideologies. And betrays her constituents in Jackson Heights. Astounding.
Title: Re: AOC Just Couldn't Wait...
Post by: abcdefghijk on September 14, 2021, 09:31:09 AM
This reminds me of Melania's fashion statement. "I really don't care, do u?" When Melania visited the children detained at the border.

Equally tone deaf. But both instances reveal their truths.

AOC  craving to be part of that rich MET world. Melania not really caring.

Title: Re: AOC Just Couldn't Wait...
Post by: voelteer on September 14, 2021, 09:43:09 AM
^One could argue -- as A O-C will, no doubt -- that unlike Melania's fashion faux pas, hers was intended to subvert the event and its exclusionary sociopolitical implications. Unfortunately, despite a "Tax the rich" slogan on a designer dress, attending a gala for the 1% gives the far right even more fodder against any real progressive agenda.

At the same time, what did we on the left really expect from someone whose initial funding came from a 'techbro'? Color me surprisedNOTsurprised, though still very disappointed.
Title: Re: AOC Just Couldn't Wait...
Post by: lalochezia on September 14, 2021, 10:02:17 AM
Attending the met gala is an example of corruption? (how? corruption in politics implies pay-for-play or pay-not-to-do-anything? how does wearing an expensive dress to a fashion gala imply corruption?)

 or hypocrisy (by attending an event with rich people..... somehow you are betraying the poor?)

These are inane statements devoid of logic or reasoning, and stoop to the level of smears.

While y'all are whining like children distracted by a shiny bauble, about AOC wearing a dress, "moderate" Dems and Republicans in congress are literally selling your children's future to billionaires.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/13/us/politics/tax-plan-democrats.html
Title: Re: AOC Just Couldn't Wait...
Post by: abcdefghijk on September 14, 2021, 10:09:56 AM
Attending the met gala is an example of corruption? (how? corruption in politics implies pay-for-play or pay-not-to-do-anything? how does wearing an expensive dress to a fashion gala imply corruption?)

 or hypocrisy (by attending an event with rich people..... somehow you are betraying the poor?)

These are inane statements devoid of logic or reasoning, and stoop to the level of smears.

While y'all are whining like children distracted by a shiny bauble, about AOC wearing a dress, "moderate" Dems and Republicans in congress are literally selling your children's future to billionaires.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/13/us/politics/tax-plan-democrats.html

Try as a person might, by insulting those who see that the EMPEROR HAS NO CLOTHES, or in this case wears designer clothes...or trying to focus  the conversation elsewhere... the truth of AOC  has been revealed.  And no-one's falling for insults or bait and switch tactics.
Title: Re: AOC Just Couldn't Wait...
Post by: wlirfan on September 14, 2021, 11:26:09 AM
I don't understand the criticism. First it was - she's an unqualified bartender. Then it was - she's a fake because she graduated college and was taped dancing with her fellow students. Then it was - how could she afford a business suit to wear on the House floor, or to rent a place in DC. Now she's a traitor because she attended the Met Gala?

Who cares. I would have gone in a second to that Gala. And the very fact that Ana Wintour invited her speaks to her relevance, exposure and standing - all good things if we want anything done in the community. Stop beating on a young woman just because she dresses nice. It's silly.
Title: Re: AOC Just Couldn't Wait...
Post by: abcdefghijk on September 14, 2021, 12:20:16 PM
I don't understand the criticism. First it was - she's an unqualified bartender. Then it was - she's a fake because she graduated college and was taped dancing with her fellow students. Then it was - how could she afford a business suit to wear on the House floor, or to rent a place in DC. Now she's a traitor because she attended the Met Gala?

Who cares. I would have gone in a second to that Gala. And the very fact that Ana Wintour invited her speaks to her relevance, exposure and standing - all good things if we want anything done in the community. Stop beating on a young woman just because she dresses nice. It's silly.

It's not that. The cost of the Met Ball for her and her outfit can be up to $100K. Or more.

Meanwhile, I still see lines for food distribution in Jackson Heights.

And AOC's platform is for the under-privileged. Not the over-privileged.

The juxtaposition is astounding. And comes across as dissonant.

It's having your cake and eating it too. Or perhaps reminiscent of, "Let them eat cake!"





Title: Re: AOC Just Couldn't Wait...
Post by: ChickenringNYC on September 14, 2021, 12:38:34 PM
If it makes you happy, she's been all over Queens and NYC the past week giving out food and doing flood photo ops and helping out. Just check her Instagram. But of course, all of that stuff doesn't really make headlines and the MET gala does... so...
Title: Re: AOC Just Couldn't Wait...
Post by: abcdefghijk on September 14, 2021, 12:50:04 PM
If it makes you happy, she's been all over Queens and NYC the past week giving out food and doing flood photo ops and helping out. Just check her Instagram. But of course, all of that stuff doesn't really make headlines and the MET gala does... so...

Let's cut the pretense and be honest. Even her followers know this looks bad.
And that's why Damage Control mode is ramped to the max.
Title: Re: AOC Just Couldn't Wait...
Post by: dssjh on September 14, 2021, 01:13:55 PM
not nearly as bad as Derwood Trump using 9/11 to collect TWO huge paychecks -- one for a speech praising the Unification Church at a Moonie cult meeting and one for his 90 second "announcing" at a fake boxing match featuring early onset victim Evander Holyfield.

sorry, but AOC was on point, and she looked better doing it than Marjorie Taylor Greene does in her weapon-filled self promotional videos.
Title: Re: AOC Just Couldn't Wait...
Post by: abcdefghijk on September 14, 2021, 01:18:31 PM
not nearly as bad as Derwood Trump using 9/11 to collect TWO huge paychecks -- one for a speech praising the Unification Church at a Moonie cult meeting and one for his 90 second "announcing" at a fake boxing match featuring early onset victim Evander Holyfield.

sorry, but AOC was on point, and she looked better doing it than Marjorie Taylor Greene does in her weapon-filled self promotional videos.

Strangely, it's expected that Trump does anything for a $. That's his platform. He's kinda being true to himself. Clear.

The message from AOC is far more twisted.  "I say I'm for the poor... but I like living it up with the rich."

Title: Re: AOC Just Couldn't Wait...
Post by: Jeffsayyes on September 14, 2021, 01:47:51 PM
I think she's fine
Title: Re: AOC Just Couldn't Wait...
Post by: abcdefghijk on September 14, 2021, 02:03:50 PM
I think she's fine

She has condemned the gentrification that might arise due to Amazon etc for us, the little people.

But when it comes to herself, she supports, by being there... the gentrified of the gentrified at the Met Ball.

A stark example of "Do as I say, not what I do..."

Now, clearly, Bernie wouldn't go. An example of being true to one's platform.

And far more admirable in a person's character.

The trait she is revealing has the makings of a future Imelda Marcos.







Title: Re: AOC Just Couldn't Wait...
Post by: JHResident on September 14, 2021, 11:28:18 PM
It was advertising. At $30000 for the invitation, she got her money's worth. It's been all over TV, print and electronic media.
Message sent.
Title: Re: AOC Just Couldn't Wait...
Post by: Formosa on September 15, 2021, 04:44:05 AM
It's great to see folks in the nabe engaged and passionate about what happens in local politics and beyond.

Ultimately, unless you're AOC, one will never know for sure her true intentions, which is precisely the problem.  Her action is open to interpretations, due to the mismatch between rhetoric and deed. 

Her defense of attending the event are basically two-fold, per her social media posts and interviews: 1) she was invited as a NYC official due to her responsibilities in overseeing local cultural institutions; and, 2) desire to break the fourth wall (her words) by representing minorities at an elite event and spread the taxation message.

The former excuse is simply laughable and i will leave it at that.  With respect to the latter, as a social media maven, she doesn't need tips from me about whether there're more effective ways of getting her messages across while wearing that same dress all at the same time.  By disinfecting any potential backlash through social media posts prior to the event, she knew it was a questionable call.  I can only hope folks willing to give her the benefit of the doubt are right-- I'd like to see the likes of Anna Wintour come out in unequivocal support of economic justice as a result of AOC's bridge-building exercise at the Event.  Then again, I've been in NYC long enough to realize there're very few Warren Buffetts in the world when it comes to taxing the wealthy.

Corruption comes in many forms-- monetary bribery is but one egregious and obvious manifestation.  For the good of the neighborhood and progressive causes, I certainly hope AOC remains steadfast to her original intentions.  It would be a shame to see her turn into a "Clintonista." Finally, I'd caution against personality cults in general; history is replete with examples of their failures, whether they're left- or right-leaning.  As a politician, she deserves and needs to be scrutinized for all her actions, no more and no less.
Title: Re: AOC Just Couldn't Wait...
Post by: abcdefghijk on September 15, 2021, 08:48:29 AM
AOC is very naive and inexperienced if she thinks she "owned" the rich by wearing that dress with a "message".

She will now be the guest of honor at every celebrity/grand/rich event. She will become the "virtue signal" that the rich require to look "good". She will be used by them. Not the other way round, which is what she incorrectly thinks.

She has revealed that her flaw is "she likes to hang with the wealthy"...and with that flaw in character, the future will unfold to show that the person becomes a lapdog for the rich.  While deluding themselves that they are doing "good".

I repeat, it wouldn't happen to Bernie. He doesn't have that flaw in his character.



Title: Re: AOC Just Couldn't Wait...
Post by: petegart on September 15, 2021, 11:34:22 AM
I am a fan of AOC, and I think her dress choice was brilliant.  You did not need to have it explained, because it is self explanatory.  She is a genius at social media, and the GOP is terrified of her and what she represents. 
I am also a huge fan and supporter of Bernie, but I also think that Biden was a wise choice overall -because he was electable. 
No matter what AOC does, she will have people who attempt to denigrate her and dilute her powerful messages. 
Rock On AOC!
Title: Re: AOC Just Couldn't Wait...
Post by: itsit on September 15, 2021, 01:30:59 PM
  Is AOC a help to the Democratic agenda when her brand gets labeled Socialist? In Florida, the Democrats lost some races by as many as 20 percentage points based on associations that could be drawn to Socialist agendas. I like her style and think she's smart and sassy but right now
... is this working for the country where Democracy is hanging by a thread? In a less precarious time, I would've loved the dress.
Title: Re: AOC Just Couldn't Wait...
Post by: ChickenringNYC on September 15, 2021, 03:23:01 PM
This week, AOC will introduce a bill to extend Pandemic Unemployment Assistance thru Feb. 1, 2022...
But, let's all hate her going to the MET gala.
Title: Re: AOC Just Couldn't Wait...
Post by: abcdefghijk on September 15, 2021, 03:46:07 PM
This week, AOC will introduce a bill to extend Pandemic Unemployment Assistance thru Feb. 1, 2022...
But, let's all hate her going to the MET gala.

A Congressperson can introduce such a bill without going to the Met Ball. It's the choice of going or not going...that reveals the person.
Title: Re: AOC Just Couldn't Wait...
Post by: JHResident on September 15, 2021, 10:16:37 PM
If you think about it, it's a common upper class tactic to have the proletariat fighting amongst themselves rather than examine the real antagonists. Here we are complaining about a former barmaid attending a party when many if the other attendees do this every night.
Divide and conquer. Pit cops against poor and underprivileged, point out the occasional welfare queen and let the middle class think that they should support the one per cent. Don't fall for it!
Title: Re: AOC Just Couldn't Wait...
Post by: abcdefghijk on September 16, 2021, 08:04:46 AM
If you think about it, it's a common upper class tactic to have the proletariat fighting amongst themselves rather than examine the real antagonists. Here we are complaining about a former barmaid attending a party when many if the other attendees do this every night.
Divide and conquer. Pit cops against poor and underprivileged, point out the occasional welfare queen and let the middle class think that they should support the one per cent. Don't fall for it!


Personally I  am completely disinterested in a class war. The irony is that probably 99% of those who attend the Met Ball are Democrats. And likely donate to Democrat and philanthropic causes.

Us vs them is just too simplistic for America.

It is a question of character. An individual's character. Because character predicts future actions. AOC will receive a ton of invitations to fancy events now. She will be used as a virtue signal for the wealthy.

I have read other Jackson Hts online forums. Her Lantinx base certainly isn't fooled by her action.They feel betrayed. I had to look up the Spanish words they used to describe her. Those words weren't pretty.

Yes, for many Lefties she ticks all the boxes. But her Latinx base is well aware of the importance of "practicing what you preach."




Title: Re: AOC Just Couldn't Wait...
Post by: abcdefghijk on September 23, 2021, 10:37:26 AM
First the Met Ball, now the defunding of the Iron Dome for Israel.

What's next?
Title: Re: AOC Just Couldn't Wait...
Post by: abcdefghijk on September 23, 2021, 08:00:22 PM
That was quick. The next thing is to release all the inmates of Rikers Island.

Not some. Not the less dangerous ones. ALL.

Does this woman know no such thing as balance?

If that happens, the problems on our streets now will be known as the "good ol' days".   
Title: Re: AOC Just Couldn't Wait...
Post by: dssjh on September 23, 2021, 08:36:34 PM
First the Met Ball, now the defunding of the Iron Dome for Israel.

What's next?

next up, we may stop paying for secret service protection for the Saudi royals. perhaps we'll even stop paying for the Wahhabi training camps that the royals maintain. what would happen then???
Title: Re: AOC Just Couldn't Wait...
Post by: abcdefghijk on September 23, 2021, 11:35:09 PM
First the Met Ball, now the defunding of the Iron Dome for Israel.

What's next?

next up, we may stop paying for secret service protection for the Saudi royals. perhaps we'll even stop paying for the Wahhabi training camps that the royals maintain. what would happen then???

Perhaps it should be you personally who must explain to the descendants of the Holocaust survivors in Israel how you support a leader who defunds their protection.




Title: Re: AOC Just Couldn't Wait...
Post by: dssjh on September 24, 2021, 12:52:29 PM
you don't know my background. be careful about assumptions.
Title: Re: AOC Just Couldn't Wait...
Post by: abcdefghijk on September 24, 2021, 02:42:00 PM
The positive I see... is that most of AOC's extreme positions are marginalized and overridden by the common sense of the majority of others in power.
Title: Re: AOC Just Couldn't Wait...
Post by: abcdefghijk on September 25, 2021, 08:56:36 AM
As I follow AOC closely, the more I see confusing behavior.

She abstained from the second vote for defunding Israel's Iron Dome.

She is probably learning that when you attend the Met Ball there is a price to pay. No ticket is truly free. She probably thought she could influence them. And now, of course we see that she is the one who can be influenced.

Interesting.





Title: Re: AOC Just Couldn't Wait...
Post by: lalochezia on September 25, 2021, 09:00:13 AM

She is probably learning that when you attend the Met Ball there is a price to pay. No ticket is truly free. She probably thought she could influence them. And now, of course we see that she is the one who can be influenced.

Interesting.

who are "they" in your latest brainfart?
Title: Re: AOC Just Couldn't Wait...
Post by: abcdefghijk on September 25, 2021, 09:09:29 AM

She is probably learning that when you attend the Met Ball there is a price to pay. No ticket is truly free. She probably thought she could influence them. And now, of course we see that she is the one who can be influenced.

Interesting.

who are "they" in your latest brainfart?

Back with your insults.

My clear and unwavering, (as opposed to AOC) position is that she should have voted YES for the Iron Dome.

I will suggest to you what I suggested to others...

Perhaps it should be you personally who must explain to the descendants of the Holocaust survivors in Israel how you support a leader who wants to defund their protection.

Title: Re: AOC Just Couldn't Wait...
Post by: dssjh on September 25, 2021, 10:42:08 AM
it would be better to use those funds to help solve the horrible problem of hunger and poverty among the country's Holocaust survivors and their families. much like this country, Israel pays far too little attention to citizens who need help simply surviving.

wouldn't you feel better knowing that Holocaust survivors were able to get decent meals and medical supplies?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/over-half-of-israels-holocaust-survivors-require-food-handouts-survey/
Title: Re: AOC Just Couldn't Wait...
Post by: abcdefghijk on September 25, 2021, 10:58:07 AM
it would be better to use those funds to help solve the horrible problem of hunger and poverty among the country's Holocaust survivors and their families. much like this country, Israel pays far too little attention to citizens who need help simply surviving.

wouldn't you feel better knowing that Holocaust survivors were able to get decent meals and medical supplies?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/over-half-of-israels-holocaust-survivors-require-food-handouts-survey/

No amount of money for meals or medical supplies will help...after folks are killed by rocket attacks due to the act of defunding of the Iron Dome which was supported by AOC.
Title: Re: AOC Just Couldn't Wait...
Post by: dssjh on September 25, 2021, 11:01:56 AM
i would hope you would be willing to directly explain to Holocaust survivors and their families that food and medical supplies are not as important to their daily lives as the Iron Dome is.
Title: Re: AOC Just Couldn't Wait...
Post by: abcdefghijk on September 25, 2021, 12:46:11 PM
i would hope you would be willing to directly explain to Holocaust survivors and their families that food and medical supplies are not as important to their daily lives as the Iron Dome is.

They already know lives are more important...Their experiences have taught them.

The tactic of bait and switch isn't going to work to focus away from AOC's actions of wanting to defund the Iron Dome.
Title: Re: AOC Just Couldn't Wait...
Post by: lalochezia on September 25, 2021, 10:37:04 PM
The pathetic invocation of holocaust survivors  is the worst kind of concern trolling, worthy of the gutter press. You really sink to some new depths.

Firstly, you mean, "descendants of holocaust survivors", since there are very few actual survivors alive in Israel -  or anywhere else.

Secondly,  My family is jewish. Most of my immediate family from one or two generations back survived the holocaust - some did not. . I have branches of my  cousins families who were entirely wiped out, who would be disgusted by your use of the Shoah to score points.

 I say to you now:  stop invoking the most awful genocide from 80 years ago to score rhetorical points in an unrelated conflict.

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Again, I ask you to clarify what you said

"She is probably learning that when you attend the Met Ball there is a price to pay. No ticket is truly free. She probably thought she could influence them. And now, of course we see that she is the one who can be influenced."

Who do you mean by "them".

If you're not willing to clarify this, it merely says "I'm willing to make outrageous and unsustainable insinuations" and then invoke the HOLOCAUST when someone calls you out.

We have words for people like that.


Title: Re: AOC Just Couldn't Wait...
Post by: abcdefghijk on September 25, 2021, 11:14:17 PM
I am certainly not interested in fighting with a FELLOW JEW on this forum. I have Holocaust survivor family in Israel. Thus I think I have every right to talk about this issue.

And all of us Jews should take note that AOC has voted to defund the Iron Dome.

Happy ,Sukkot.
Title: Re: AOC Just Couldn't Wait...
Post by: ChickenringNYC on September 27, 2021, 07:53:24 AM
Wow, talk about a wild derailing of a thread that had nothing to do with Israel. AOC really seems to bring out the worst in people! 
Title: Re: AOC Just Couldn't Wait...
Post by: lmaniace on September 28, 2021, 11:23:35 PM
I don't understand the criticism. First it was - she's an unqualified bartender. Then it was - she's a fake because she graduated college and was taped dancing with her fellow students. Then it was - how could she afford a business suit to wear on the House floor, or to rent a place in DC. Now she's a traitor because she attended the Met Gala?

Who cares. I would have gone in a second to that Gala. And the very fact that Ana Wintour invited her speaks to her relevance, exposure and standing - all good things if we want anything done in the community. Stop beating on a young woman just because she dresses nice. It's silly.

It's not that. The cost of the Met Ball for her and her outfit can be up to $100K. Or more.

Meanwhile, I still see lines for food distribution in Jackson Heights.

And AOC's platform is for the under-privileged. Not the over-privileged.

The juxtaposition is astounding. And comes across as dissonant.

It's having your cake and eating it too. Or perhaps reminiscent of, "Let them eat cake!"

I don't believe AOC spent $100,000 on that dress. Don't designers loan or give these outfits so they get publicity?
I don't see an issue here. It's not like she wore a tan suit in the Capitol. That Obama! How did we even survive those eight years?