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Title: FAA OKs Cuomo’s controversial ‘wrong-way’ LGA AirTrain
Post by: Shelby2 on July 20, 2021, 07:50:21 PM
https://nypost.com/2021/07/20/faa-oks-cuomos-controversial-wrong-way-laguardia-airtrain/

"The Port Authority can proceed with $2.1 billion plans to build a monorail train between LaGuardia Airport and eastern Queens, the Federal Aviation Administration said Tuesday."

Click link for full article.

NY Times also has an article but might be behind a pay wall for some. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/20/nyregion/laguardia-airport-train.html
Title: Re: FAA OKs Cuomo’s controversial ‘wrong-way’ LGA AirTrain
Post by: abcdefghijk on July 20, 2021, 09:48:01 PM
Good luck on a crowded 7 train to get there.
For the LIRR from Penn, are they increasing frequency?
And dedicating trains to only do the Penn/Willets Point return trip?

It's equally as convoluted as the Newark airtrain. That doesn't run to Penn Station Newark (why not?)...and so after catching the Path... you are forced to take a NJ train one stop and then transfer to the airtrain. 3 different trains to get to Newark Airport from Manhattan.
Title: Re: FAA OKs Cuomo’s controversial ‘wrong-way’ LGA AirTrain
Post by: M7X7 on July 21, 2021, 09:15:47 AM
It will be easier than ever to fly to a Mets game!
Title: Re: FAA OKs Cuomo’s controversial ‘wrong-way’ LGA AirTrain
Post by: hum@njukebox1 on July 21, 2021, 03:40:52 PM
$2 billion dollars?!  I gotta believe that money could be better spent on something more important.
Title: Re: FAA OKs Cuomo’s controversial ‘wrong-way’ LGA AirTrain
Post by: dssjh on July 21, 2021, 04:53:39 PM
$2 billion dollars?!  I gotta believe that money could be better spent on something more important.

especially when it turns into $4 billion midway through.
Title: Re: FAA OKs Cuomo’s controversial ‘wrong-way’ LGA AirTrain
Post by: DijoninJH on July 22, 2021, 10:38:10 AM
Why would you take Path to Newark instead of just taking an NJ Transit train from Penn Station to the Newark Airport Stop? Unless you mean if you are in lower Manhattan where the path is closer?
Title: Re: FAA OKs Cuomo’s controversial ‘wrong-way’ LGA AirTrain
Post by: abcdefghijk on July 22, 2021, 12:14:53 PM
Why would you take Path to Newark instead of just taking an NJ Transit train from Penn Station to the Newark Airport Stop? Unless you mean if you are in lower Manhattan where the path is closer?

Yes...the three trains to Newark Airport is really from Brooklyn/Downtown Manhattan.

Thinking more about this airtrain to LGA...I suppose the idea isn't so terrible.
LIRR train from Penn or Grand Central to Willets Pt...might take a shorter time for Manhattan folks. And that is who it is being built for.

The trick would be to avoid the 7 train if possible to get to LGA and back to Manhattan.
Title: Re: FAA OKs Cuomo’s controversial ‘wrong-way’ LGA AirTrain
Post by: Shelby2 on July 22, 2021, 04:34:45 PM
How often do LIRR trains run? I imagine that might be the deciding factor whether someone hops on an LIRR train vs a 7 train, which come every few minutes. Although, if you have to wait 15 minutes for an LIRR and taking it shaves 15 minutes off the trip to Willets from Manhattan (vs. 7 train) then you're breaking even.
Title: Re: FAA OKs Cuomo’s controversial ‘wrong-way’ LGA AirTrain
Post by: abcdefghijk on July 23, 2021, 08:50:26 AM
How often do LIRR trains run? I imagine that might be the deciding factor whether someone hops on an LIRR train vs a 7 train, which come every few minutes. Although, if you have to wait 15 minutes for an LIRR and taking it shaves 15 minutes off the trip to Willets from Manhattan (vs. 7 train) then you're breaking even.

My guess...if they are smart...the MTA will run special dedicated trains to and from Willet's Pt from Manhattan.

My reading about the World's Fair 1964...suggests they did that in those days. I believe that's when the Willet's Pt station was built.
Title: Re: FAA OKs Cuomo’s controversial ‘wrong-way’ LGA AirTrain
Post by: abcdefghijk on July 23, 2021, 12:06:27 PM
I just checked. Willet's Point station was built for the 1939 World's Fair. Not 1964.
Title: Re: FAA OKs Cuomo’s controversial ‘wrong-way’ LGA AirTrain
Post by: dssjh on July 23, 2021, 02:33:17 PM
sadly, that makes it pretty "new" in terms of the overall system.
Title: Re: FAA OKs Cuomo’s controversial ‘wrong-way’ LGA AirTrain
Post by: ShinjukuBaby on July 25, 2021, 12:03:00 PM
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LIRR train from Penn or Grand Central to Willets Pt...might take a shorter time for Manhattan folks. And that is who it is being built for.

I think the unspoken reality is that this is actually a parking shuttle for employees or people driving in from Long Island.  That's why Cuomo and others never really cared that it makes no sense for getting to Manhattan. 
Title: Re: FAA OKs Cuomo’s controversial ‘wrong-way’ LGA AirTrain
Post by: abcdefghijk on July 25, 2021, 12:26:40 PM
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LIRR train from Penn or Grand Central to Willets Pt...might take a shorter time for Manhattan folks. And that is who it is being built for.

I think the unspoken reality is that this is actually a parking shuttle for employees or people driving in from Long Island.  That's why Cuomo and others never really cared that it makes no sense for getting to Manhattan.

Well it definitely benefits the Long Island folks and the Manhattanites far more than Jackson Heights.

The Q70 bus already works like a charm for Jackson Heights folks to get to LGA.
Title: Re: FAA OKs Cuomo’s controversial ‘wrong-way’ LGA AirTrain
Post by: Shelby2 on July 25, 2021, 02:23:54 PM
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LIRR train from Penn or Grand Central to Willets Pt...might take a shorter time for Manhattan folks. And that is who it is being built for.

I think the unspoken reality is that this is actually a parking shuttle for employees or people driving in from Long Island.  That's why Cuomo and others never really cared that it makes no sense for getting to Manhattan.

Well it definitely benefits the Long Island folks and the Manhattanites far more than Jackson Heights.

The Q70 bus already works like a charm for Jackson Heights folks to get to LGA.

I wonder if they will continue to fund/offer the Q70 after the Airtrain is up and running.
Title: Re: FAA OKs Cuomo’s controversial ‘wrong-way’ LGA AirTrain
Post by: abcdefghijk on July 25, 2021, 06:29:53 PM
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LIRR train from Penn or Grand Central to Willets Pt...might take a shorter time for Manhattan folks. And that is who it is being built for.

I think the unspoken reality is that this is actually a parking shuttle for employees or people driving in from Long Island.  That's why Cuomo and others never really cared that it makes no sense for getting to Manhattan.

Well it definitely benefits the Long Island folks and the Manhattanites far more than Jackson Heights.

The Q70 bus already works like a charm for Jackson Heights folks to get to LGA.

I wonder if they will continue to fund/offer the Q70 after the Airtrain is up and running.

I doubt the Q70 would run once the air train is built.
The MTA would funnel everyone to the air train.

So in truth the air train will make it far more difficult and complicated for Jackson Hts folks.


 
Title: Re: FAA OKs Cuomo’s controversial ‘wrong-way’ LGA AirTrain
Post by: abcdefghijk on October 14, 2021, 03:33:17 PM
It appears this project is on ice. And I doubt it'll go ahead. Hooray!
That air train was going to run along the Flushing Promenade...which would more or less have wrecked the beauty of that path, with elevated trains running back and forth.
Title: Re: FAA OKs Cuomo’s controversial ‘wrong-way’ LGA AirTrain
Post by: itsit on October 14, 2021, 07:31:50 PM
 Yes! Let's funnel this money into the community center we all need and deserve. It's certainly a lot of cash on the table here and there is available real estate in the nabe. Let's do this!!!
Title: Re: FAA OKs Cuomo’s controversial ‘wrong-way’ LGA AirTrain
Post by: abcdefghijk on October 14, 2021, 07:49:46 PM
Yes! Let's funnel this money into the community center we all need and deserve. It's certainly a lot of cash on the table here and there is available real estate in the nabe. Let's do this!!!

Reminder: This forum has no power in the real world.
Title: Re: FAA OKs Cuomo’s controversial ‘wrong-way’ LGA AirTrain
Post by: itsit on October 18, 2021, 10:12:44 AM
  That could be some "wrong-way" thinking. Stay tuned for the next installment of where the money goes in the neighborhood. An indoor community center, the likes of which would be available in winter months like the next 5-6 ahead of us, and a pool please along with a senior center/youth center/babies and nursery meetup. Rooftop running track for abled and less abled residents along with meal services for those in need and a CSA area. Job training too!
  All of the above are either unrepresented groups or in areas with struggling conditions here in Jackson Heights. Most of our resources in the community continue to be focused around the 10 and under population. This is welcome but spread out some of the largess because you will find big kids - and the rest of us- also could use some improved circumstances.
   Someone out there is listening above the static and that's why people bother to speak out. Use all channels right?
Title: Re: FAA OKs Cuomo’s controversial ‘wrong-way’ LGA AirTrain
Post by: abcdefghijk on October 18, 2021, 04:04:51 PM
https://sunnysidepost.com/variety-boys-and-girls-club-gets-2-7-million-from-city-to-build-a-new-community-center-in-jackson-heights

Meanwhile back in the real world, Danny Dromm has announced a future community center. See above.
Title: Re: FAA OKs Cuomo’s controversial ‘wrong-way’ LGA AirTrain
Post by: itsit on October 18, 2021, 05:03:34 PM
 https://sunnysidepost.com/variety-boys-and-girls-club-gets-2-7-million-from-city-to-build-a-new-community-center-in-jackson-heights

Meanwhile back in the real world, Danny Dromm has announced a future community center. See above.

To ABCDE..,
And you said they didn't listen, this request wasn't in the real world...see? Pays to persist and keep the conversation going however quiet the audience gets. This will be wonderful as Astoria has a bunch of things for kids of all ages and so should we in JH! Happy days with a community center on the horizon!
Title: Re: FAA OKs Cuomo’s controversial ‘wrong-way’ LGA AirTrain
Post by: abcdefghijk on October 18, 2021, 05:23:52 PM
https://sunnysidepost.com/variety-boys-and-girls-club-gets-2-7-million-from-city-to-build-a-new-community-center-in-jackson-heights

Meanwhile back in the real world, Danny Dromm has announced a future community center. See above.

To ABCDE..,
And you said they didn't listen, this request wasn't in the real world...see? Pays to persist and keep the conversation going however quiet the audience gets. This will be wonderful as Astoria has a bunch of things for kids of all ages and so should we in JH! Happy days with a community center on the horizon!

Danny Dromm  has been working on this project proactively for 10 years...in the real world. He and others didn't just post on forums with magical wishful thinking. They lobbied in the real world. The only way things get done.
Title: Re: FAA OKs Cuomo’s controversial ‘wrong-way’ LGA AirTrain
Post by: itsit on October 19, 2021, 06:23:22 AM
 Wow, do you think Danny Dromm did this on his own? Many, many people here in JH have been asking for a community center for decades. But the funds were low in the city and parks upgrades were all that were on the docket - three in the past some years in the younger kids section of Travers Park- and no feasible budget cuts in sight. So hooray for Danny getting this through but also kudos to anyone and everyone who kept this issue on the list for so many years. Visibility is important.

And the last thing in JH that will ever be fixed is the Travers Park basketball court because teenagers don't usually know how to advocate for change with politicians. Check out how bad it is sometime...
Title: Re: FAA OKs Cuomo’s controversial ‘wrong-way’ LGA AirTrain
Post by: abcdefghijk on October 28, 2021, 11:02:47 AM
In the 1930's, they could build an EL SUBWAY TRAIN line in a year.

I believe there is talk of building one on Central Parkway/Astoria Bld. to LGA from the Astoria Bld. stop on 31st St, Astoria.

i think it's a great idea to have an EL TRAIN spur from the N/W which runs there... to LGA. 






Title: Re: FAA OKs Cuomo’s controversial ‘wrong-way’ LGA AirTrain
Post by: hum@njukebox1 on October 28, 2021, 04:37:46 PM
I'm pretty sure this idea was squelched years ago by the residents living in that vicinity.  Elevated subway trains are simply awful and create nothing but yuck below. 
Title: Re: FAA OKs Cuomo’s controversial ‘wrong-way’ LGA AirTrain
Post by: abcdefghijk on October 28, 2021, 06:09:36 PM
Yes. That's true.

I would imagine that the elevated subway be built in the middle of Grand Central Parkway. And then cars can drive under it rather than people walking.

The elevated subway in Sunnyside kinda works due to the width of Queens Bld...(Definitely compared with how the El loooms over Roosevelt Ave)

Grand Central Parkway has a similar width as Queens Bld. . And an El over it might have a similar minimal effect as in Sunnyside.




Title: Re: FAA OKs Cuomo’s controversial ‘wrong-way’ LGA AirTrain
Post by: abcdefghijk on October 28, 2021, 06:13:14 PM
Yes. That's true.

I would imagine that the elevated subway be built in the middle of Grand Central Parkway. And then cars can drive under it rather than people walking.

The elevated subway in Sunnyside kinda works due to the width of Queens Bld...(Definitely compared with how the El looms over Roosevelt Ave)

Grand Central Parkway has a similar width as Queens Bld. . And an El over it might have an equally minimal effect as in Sunnyside.

I believe what was rejected previously was the idea of an El subway along the far narrower Ditmas Bld...from the last stop of the N/W line.

Not the idea of going along Grand Central Parkway.